Hi Drew, I more than likely fall into the category of making you sad as I bemoan things that made me sad in the new trilogy :)
Wondering though, if you still feel there is room for 'older' fans to have issues with the new trilogy based on feelings of characters being mishandled, or poor story telling/movie making and whether there is still room to have proper conversations about that. Or if the lines are too blurred these days from falling into traps of fandom/toxic arguments and it is just easier to let the new star wars simply be, without looking at it with a critical eye that still remembers the past?
I think it's fair to watch ANYTHING with a critical eye.
My issues are people who clearly loathe something who not only keep subjecting themselves to it, but who can't stop telling everyone how much they hate it.
At a certain point, why do you keep watching something? Just to tell everyone who likes it that they're stupid? Just to have something to scream about?
I have TONS of issues with the sequel trilogy, and with RISE OF SKYWALKER in particular. And writing about them without playing into the toxic dialogue is definitely a trick.
My problems are with the people who are determined to simply shout the same things over and over. At a certain point, you've said it. You hate it. We get it.
I doubt that's you, Michael. I doubt it strongly just based on the way you ask the question, man.
I think this comes from love and hate being so close together, emotionally. For some of the people who really love Star Wars, like REALLY LOVE it, where it was or is a large part of their identities, it's so easy for the love to turn to hate. That's the best way I can think of it. I have a friend going through a divorce now, and you probably wouldn't be surprised, but when I hang out with him now, he sounds a lot like the guys and gals who loved Star Wars who hated the sequel trilogy in ways that surpass just the regular kind of, "Man, that sucked." I've never been married, and while I will never watch the sequel trilogy again because it was disappointing and I have no interest, Star Wars was always part of the tapestry of the things I liked and loved. Honestly, I was probably far more disappointed in the Green Lantern, BvS, and the Justice League movies than that, because Green Lantern was been my favorite superhero and DC my preferred comics. But I don't hate Ryan Reynolds or Martin Campbell or Snyder or Whedon or whatever. So I dunno. Maybe the closest I've come to something like that was when the Falcons lost the Super Bowl after being up 28-3 and my Dawgs lost in the National Title Game in overtime on a TD pass on 2nd and 26.
When you posted that tweet about what your kid said, I was like, "Oh no, Sean Connery's outfit in Zardoz will scar them for life!" Glad to see you went with Holy Grail, instead!
I never watched The Clone Wars because the movie, which was the first five episodes, was so bad (the less I remember about the Hutt baby, the better) and then I didn't have cable. It's why I also missed-out on Rebels. Now that I have Disney+ though, there's no reason not see them. As for the crack about manbabies, while I guess that describes me in broad strokes because I hate the sequel trilogy in a way that's largely made me lose interest in Star Wars (I agree 100% with Sam Witwer's criticism) even though I love Rogue One and kinda actually liked Solo and have loved most of the games, there are a lot of ladybabies out there, too. Let's not lay all this at the feet of manbabies. Let's get some representation in there with the loathing. 😂
*After reading Michael's question, I regret saying hate here. I don't hate the sequel trilogy. I dislike it, and I won't watch it again, but hate is too strong a word, one we probably all overuse to describe things we don't like.
As always, I can both appreciate and relate to your pop culture musings. In terms of wanting to have those collective experiences, I find that I'm watching both of my kids' (11 and 14) reactions to my favorite late '70s/'80s films more than I am the films themselves. We ticked off a lot of the standard boxes over the last couple of weeks: Tootsie, The Money Pit, Breaking Away, My Bodyguard, This is Spinal Tap but I find they keep going back again and again to the films that have imprinted on them. So that means at any time -Raiders, Back to the Future, Holy Grail (we just worked our way up to Life of Brian also) are airing on some streaming device during remote learning time. What's hilarious is that many times we'll be watching a film or show and my kids or wife will look knowingly me when all of a sudden they realize I've been cribbing classic lines from films.(Wait until they finally get to Caddyshack. 😂 In fact, Joel Stein tweeted today that his son keeps randomly dropping in 'That's what she said' and 'My wife' into conversations even though he's never watched The Office or Borat.)
Anyway, both my kids are certified horror film cowards (I blame it too early attempt at Psycho), and I'm trying to slowly introduce them to the ground level horror films that your kids were raised on a steady diet of. Figured we would start with Night of the Comet, Creepshow, Poltergeist and The Gate before working our way up to the seminal American Werewolf in London and Halloween. Fingers crossed!
Hi Drew, I more than likely fall into the category of making you sad as I bemoan things that made me sad in the new trilogy :)
Wondering though, if you still feel there is room for 'older' fans to have issues with the new trilogy based on feelings of characters being mishandled, or poor story telling/movie making and whether there is still room to have proper conversations about that. Or if the lines are too blurred these days from falling into traps of fandom/toxic arguments and it is just easier to let the new star wars simply be, without looking at it with a critical eye that still remembers the past?
I think it's fair to watch ANYTHING with a critical eye.
My issues are people who clearly loathe something who not only keep subjecting themselves to it, but who can't stop telling everyone how much they hate it.
At a certain point, why do you keep watching something? Just to tell everyone who likes it that they're stupid? Just to have something to scream about?
I have TONS of issues with the sequel trilogy, and with RISE OF SKYWALKER in particular. And writing about them without playing into the toxic dialogue is definitely a trick.
My problems are with the people who are determined to simply shout the same things over and over. At a certain point, you've said it. You hate it. We get it.
I doubt that's you, Michael. I doubt it strongly just based on the way you ask the question, man.
I think this comes from love and hate being so close together, emotionally. For some of the people who really love Star Wars, like REALLY LOVE it, where it was or is a large part of their identities, it's so easy for the love to turn to hate. That's the best way I can think of it. I have a friend going through a divorce now, and you probably wouldn't be surprised, but when I hang out with him now, he sounds a lot like the guys and gals who loved Star Wars who hated the sequel trilogy in ways that surpass just the regular kind of, "Man, that sucked." I've never been married, and while I will never watch the sequel trilogy again because it was disappointing and I have no interest, Star Wars was always part of the tapestry of the things I liked and loved. Honestly, I was probably far more disappointed in the Green Lantern, BvS, and the Justice League movies than that, because Green Lantern was been my favorite superhero and DC my preferred comics. But I don't hate Ryan Reynolds or Martin Campbell or Snyder or Whedon or whatever. So I dunno. Maybe the closest I've come to something like that was when the Falcons lost the Super Bowl after being up 28-3 and my Dawgs lost in the National Title Game in overtime on a TD pass on 2nd and 26.
When you posted that tweet about what your kid said, I was like, "Oh no, Sean Connery's outfit in Zardoz will scar them for life!" Glad to see you went with Holy Grail, instead!
I never watched The Clone Wars because the movie, which was the first five episodes, was so bad (the less I remember about the Hutt baby, the better) and then I didn't have cable. It's why I also missed-out on Rebels. Now that I have Disney+ though, there's no reason not see them. As for the crack about manbabies, while I guess that describes me in broad strokes because I hate the sequel trilogy in a way that's largely made me lose interest in Star Wars (I agree 100% with Sam Witwer's criticism) even though I love Rogue One and kinda actually liked Solo and have loved most of the games, there are a lot of ladybabies out there, too. Let's not lay all this at the feet of manbabies. Let's get some representation in there with the loathing. 😂
*After reading Michael's question, I regret saying hate here. I don't hate the sequel trilogy. I dislike it, and I won't watch it again, but hate is too strong a word, one we probably all overuse to describe things we don't like.
As always, I can both appreciate and relate to your pop culture musings. In terms of wanting to have those collective experiences, I find that I'm watching both of my kids' (11 and 14) reactions to my favorite late '70s/'80s films more than I am the films themselves. We ticked off a lot of the standard boxes over the last couple of weeks: Tootsie, The Money Pit, Breaking Away, My Bodyguard, This is Spinal Tap but I find they keep going back again and again to the films that have imprinted on them. So that means at any time -Raiders, Back to the Future, Holy Grail (we just worked our way up to Life of Brian also) are airing on some streaming device during remote learning time. What's hilarious is that many times we'll be watching a film or show and my kids or wife will look knowingly me when all of a sudden they realize I've been cribbing classic lines from films.(Wait until they finally get to Caddyshack. 😂 In fact, Joel Stein tweeted today that his son keeps randomly dropping in 'That's what she said' and 'My wife' into conversations even though he's never watched The Office or Borat.)
Anyway, both my kids are certified horror film cowards (I blame it too early attempt at Psycho), and I'm trying to slowly introduce them to the ground level horror films that your kids were raised on a steady diet of. Figured we would start with Night of the Comet, Creepshow, Poltergeist and The Gate before working our way up to the seminal American Werewolf in London and Halloween. Fingers crossed!
I am a coward, too, Gary. I won't apologize for it either. My nightmares following horror films are far too vivid. Not for me at all! 😉